The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network

Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley take a deep dive into four companies operating in the shadow of one of the greatest compounders of the last two decades — Constellation Software. Some investors believe that Topicus, Lumine, Sygnity, and Asseco Poland represent the best way to own the CSI model today, while others argue that the spinoffs lack the institutional depth and deal flow of the mother ship. Join Daniel and Shawn as they assess which of these mini-Constellations has the most compelling setup, and whether any of them deserve a spot in the portfolio.



IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:12 - Why smaller VMS companies are interesting
00:09:23 - How the law of large numbers shifts CSU’s focus
00:11:04 - About Topicus and why it's the closest copy of CSU
00:14:57 - Why VMS is so attractive for acquirers
00:31:13 - Lumine and its focus on the media and communication vertical
00:44:16 - Sygnity and its new chapter
01:03:51 - Asseco Poland and why it might be a the next Topicus
01:11:40 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add a Mini Constellation to the portfolio

*Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences.



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Alankrit Capital Sygnity Writeup.

Seeking Winners Lumine Writeup.

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Shawn O'Malley and Daniel Mahncke explore Spotify Inc. (ticker: SPOT), the world's largest audio streaming platform, and assess whether the company can sustain its growth and improve margins against fierce competition from YouTube, Apple, and Amazon, or whether it will remain trapped as a low-margin intermediary in the music industry. Spotify saved the recorded music industry from piracy and built a platform that over 750 million people use monthly.


IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00:00 - Intro00:13:25 - How Spotify saved the recorded music industry from piracy00:24:40 - Why the freemium business model was key to Spotify's growth00:29:24 - What makes Spotify's recommendation engine and personalization a competitive moat00:51:00 - How Spotify is diversifying beyond music into podcasts and audiobooks00:37:56 - Why music streaming margins are structurally constrained by label royalties01:16:27 - How YouTube poses the biggest competitive threat to Spotify01:11:26 - What Spotify's management team thinks about AI's impact on the business00:41:11 - How Spotify's pricing power and international expansion affect its valuation01:28:14 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add SPOT to their Intrinsic Value Portfolio



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Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley take a deep dive into Kelly Partners — a fast-growing Australian chartered accounting network with over 25,000 SME clients and founder Brett Kelly's relentless ambition to build Australia's first global accounting firm.
Join Daniel and Shawn as they assess whether Kelly Partners has a sustainable moat, an attractive valuation, and whether it deserves a spot in portfolio.


IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:56 - Who the CEO and founder, Brett Kelly, is
00:04:27 - About the mission of Kelly Partners
00:06:53 - How the business model works
00:10:15 - How big the TAM is
00:26:12 - Whether AI is a threat or an opportunity
00:26:51- What the bull and bear cases look like
00:35:02 - What acquisition criteria Kelly Partners has
00:51:50 - How the financials work
01:03:07 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add Kelly Partners to the portfolio

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Shawn O’Malley and Daniel Mahncke break down the emerging design giant Figma Inc. (ticker: FIG) and discuss whether the company can expand further into other enterprise design software verticals against Adobe.
In this episode, you’ll learn how Figma burst onto the scene after three long years of toiling in the background, why Figma’s stock has crash 80% since IPO, and whether Figma’s stock is attractively priced at current levels.



IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00:00 - Intro
00:09:01 - Why the design process used to be so messy and disjointed before Figma came along
00:11:08 - How Figma was born out of a partnership at Brown University
00:28:53 - How Figma is turning from a single-hit product into a more diversified platform
00:36:51 - What Figma is doing to redefine the future of AI in collaborative design
00:52:06 - What to make of Figma’s young CEO, Dylan Field
00:54:32 - Why Figma crashed after its IPO
00:56:14 - How IPO-related stock-based-comp accounting distorted Figma’s 2024 & 2025 financials
01:03:54 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add FIG to their Intrinsic Value Portfolio

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Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O’Malley take a deep dive into Duolingo — the leading language learning app with over 50 million daily active users and the chaotic green owl as a mascot. Since its IPO in 2021, Duolingo has expanded beyond language instruction to include math, music, and chess. The vision is to create the world's largest learning platform. 

Some people believe Duolingo will succeed and become a company worth hundreds of billions of dollars, dominating one of the largest and most profitable markets – education. However, the stock has fallen 80% from its highs, as the market views Duolingo as a potential target for AI disruption.



IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00:00 - Intro

00:05:51 - About the mission of the CEO and Founder, Luis von Ahn

00:08:29 - Why Duolingo was founded

00:10:34 - Why Duolingo works better than other apps

00:17:16 - About Duolingo's user numbers and growth

00:37:55 - Why the stock dropped 80%

00:40:55 - Whether AI is a threat or an opportunity

00:53:47 - What the bull and bear cases look like

01:18:11 - Whether Shawn and Daniel add Duolingo to the portfolio



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